Tires….again (Post #131) 3/2/2009


It seems like just a short time ago I bought tires for my Discovery. In fact it has been 47,000 miles ago. The Bridgestone AT REVO’s have been great. As you may recall I bought a set of 16 inch rims and got “real truck tires” for the Discovery. I thought fancifully that I would be able to use the Discovery off-road and would begin modifying her for that purpose. BOY WAS I WRONG!

The funds I envisioned for the modification never happened. My daughter went over budget on her wedding and this was needed and that was desired and presto, I was broke again.

Now it is time to put another driver behind the wheel of an OkieRover vehicle. The Diet Mountain Drew will be using a vehicle this summer as he comes of driving age. He has his choice between the 2002 Ford Taurus and the 2003 Land Rover Discovery. His friends are leaning on him hard to get the Discovery. He has mentioned the cost of operation more than one time in conversation. He is keen to save money and to drive the MUCH MORE economical Taurus. Hands down it gets twice the mileage of the Discovery.

But mom’s four door Taurus doesn’t even compare in coolness to a Land Rover. And I have to agree with the teens on this matter. Heated seats, dual sunroofs, kick ass sound system, 18 inch rims, smooth. Mommy’s Taurus just can’t compete with that.

So back to tires…. I let the wife take the Discovery to retrieve the children from a church function last night. When I got in her this morning put her in reverse, I heard the scratch, scratch, scratch of a tire that obviously had a large nail or bolt in it. So I jumped out at my first car pool pick up point and sure enough it’s a bolt. My guess is a lag bolt you might use for a wood panel fence project.

Needless to say I’m absolutely thrilled! (end sarcasm) I was hoping to hold out until summer to buy a new set of tires. The tire guys are just going to laugh when I ask them if that tire can be repaired. The tread is well worn as you can imagine.

So we have two considerations. Tires for the 16 inch rims or tires for the 18 inch rims?

I have priced and read about tires all morning. The obvious choice is a new set of Bridgestone AT REVOs for the 16 inch rims. But there is that spectre of Diet Mountain Drew and his request that the 18 inch rims go back on the Disco when he starts driving her.

So which tires do I get for the 18 inch rims?
With most tire prices hovering around 200$(US) and up the choice really comes down to each tire’s rating. For that money I better be getting some damn good tires.


If you read the Land Rover Only Forum the obvious choice is the Nitto Terra Grappler. And Big O Tires has them for roughly 187$(US) a tire. So I could get off-road tires for the 18 inch rims. That’s a thought. Those tires were not available when I bought the 16 inch rims and tires. I remember seeing the announcement that they would make the tire in 255/55-18 size. I remember thinking well that was just awesome.

So I jumped on TireRack.com and did my tire research. I looked at all of the brands I normally consider. And when I decided I didn’t want to spend the gross national product of Chad to buy tires for my Discovery, I started looking at brands I might not normally consider.

Tire Bias
I am a self confessed tire snob. I like the “name brands”. I feel like I know what I’m getting when I pay a little more for something based on marketing. But there in lies the folly of the tire purchase. Cooper Tires advertise like crazy and they don’t have much of a reputation with me or anyone I know. They sell a lot of tires overseas. They have a racing pedigree. Sadly for them, I don’t follow racing.


Nitto doesn’t market their tires at all compared to the big three, Firestone, Goodyear, Michelin. At least not in the TV and radio realms of advertising. If you look at most of the “second tier” tire brands you will find the same thing. Short of a couple of signs in front of independent dealers there is very little advertising.

So we as consumers look at the ratings and hope we are getting a good tire. I found such a tire when I looked at the Continental Cross Contact LX. Normally I would not buy a Continental tire. But the ratings for that tire were great on TireRack.com. It is an exceptional tire. As I read about the Terra Grapplers I saw a lot of what turned me away from Yokohama tires after one purchase, tread life was very poor.

So I can save myself around 40-80$(US) for cheaper tires with poor tread life or spend a bit more and have the tires around for a while longer. It probably works out to a nice number if I did the math. 30-35,000 miles out of a 700 dollar set of tires or 50-55,000 miles out of a higher priced set with a cap of expense at 900 bucks. The most I’ve ever spend for a set of tires was 870 dollars.

There is also the consideration of customer service. Customer service is dead. I’ve said it many times. But I have been buying tires at my local Hibdon Tires Center forever. They sold out to Tires Plus and nearly went out of business in Oklahoma until they added the Hibdon name to the stores. So now they are Hibdon Tires Plus. The Hibdon’s are from my old hometown of Newcastle. I went to school with them, I served in the Marines with one of them.

The Hibdon’s always stood behind the tires they sold. Almost ridiculously at times. I’ve taken tires down there that were nearly flat, driven flat and they replaced them, no questions asked. Today they have a more sophisticated system for tracking the tires and thusly their warranty of tires. But it is still fair. And they match what ever price you can find. Period. If I had one complaint they can’t see the historical record of my purchases. Return customers should be rewarded.

I found a cheap price on TireRack.com got the shipping lined up, got another independent tire shop lined up to install the tires (for an additional fee) and planned to get the rebate. I tallied that all up and Hibdon still beat it. I didn’t even have to cajole them. His first call back price was cheaper than all the above and I had just one stop to buy the tires.

How can you beat that? I don’t think you can, not in Oklahoma anyway. So I’m going to buy some Continental Cross Contact LX tires for my 18 inch rims. I’m even getting a 75$(US) gift card for buying them. And when my son comes to his senses and tells us he wants to drive the Taurus…I’ll be cruisin’ fat on my 18’s for forty thousand miles boyee.
Or I think that’s how they say it in Hipster Town.

Thanks for reading and Happy Rovering.

Postscript: I’ve decided to sell my 16 inch rims. If you are interested send me an email. I’m thinking 275$ plus shipping.

Trailer Project a Bust for Now (Post #130) 2/27/2009

Well my plans to buy a M105 trailer and use it for my camping project have fallen through again. I had a plan to get one through the government auction in my area. There were 10 to choose from. We had a guy bidding for us and at the last minute the bids went from 230$(US) to 400$(US). So that put them out of the price range I was hoping to spend. There were several that probably went without bids. But the choice ones were sniped pretty heavily there at the end.

I have other options. But not the funds for them. I found several M101 3/4 ton trailers which would be better for my uses but they are in the hands of private sellers and either in horrible condition or well over 600$(US) and 6 hours away from the OkieRover home base.

At this point I’m going to just get my funds together and hope I can find a decent trailer.

Either the M416 or M101(CDN) are still the ideal trailer for this application. But as they have been bought up the price of one of these starts around 900$(US). I’d like one of these because mostly I wouldn’t have to modify the trailer too much or install a lift kit on the Range Rover.


IF they didn’t weight 2700 pounds the M series ammo trailer that is being phased out now by the U.S. military would be a nice choice. But they are only found on the coasts.


The 3.4 ton M101 is the next logical choice. Larger and a bit heavy at 2250 pounds. The height of the pintle would have to be changed to ride level behind the Range Rover. These also start around 900$(US) for something that needs a lot of work.

The M105 are 2750 pounds and plentiful relatively speaking. But they require a lot of modification to get behind the Rangie.

If go with a larger trailer I will want to build a kitchen to either swing out of or be stored within the trailer. The smaller trailers are definately just right to haul the gear needed for a 3 day stay anywhere. If I take anyone more than myself it requires at least 3 ice chests. As you have read here previously I have slept in the back of both my Land Rovers and that requires very little gear. But the goal of the project was to take the family on camping trips. It is a tall order to pack the gear necessary to have five people camping in the back of either Landy.

So I think I’m back to looking for an old Toyota pickup to chop and make into a trailer. Similar to this excellent example from our friends at IH8MUD.

It’s pretty amusing to me now that I thought 750$(US) for a Sankey trailer like this one from Khaki Corps Imports was outrageous. It is the obvious first choice for anyone driving a British off road vehicle and would look smart being pulled by your Defender.
(wait, I don’t have a Defender, dammit!)

Now they are going for 1000$(US) and up IF you can find one.

So for now I’m going to cool my heals and look around. Maybe if things turn around financially price and budget management won’t be such a consideration.

Jump on over to IH8MUD and check out their forums for great ideas on trailers.

If you want to build your own you have to read REZARF’s home build trailer thread. Genius.

Thanks for reading and Happy Rovering.

Postscript
3 hours later: JagGuy has a plan more on that when I get the details. Basically I have a frame and axle and a really huge bed.

Postscript-script
The following Saturday February 28th: I happened through Binger Oklahoma. And a fellow there that sells militaria has TWO M116 tool trailers and TWO M101 3/4 tons.



More on this after I call him. I wonder what his price is?

He swears he’s not over compensating (Post #128) 2/15/2009


My best friend JagGuy recently bought a new toy. It’s an M35A2. 2.5 ton truck. As you can see in the picture to the left. He said he had been looking for one ever since he saw a picture of one a fellow had modified.

He said, “I just thought it was cool.” Secretly we all know he is just trying to compensate for a “lack” of something. He swears he isn’t with the email he sent me with the picture. He wrote,

I’m not compensating for anything! (copied 17 times and ended with)

But what guy doesn’t like a BIG truck!

He owns a 1991 Range Rover Classic, a dozen other Jaguars and assorted whatevers, a Mercedes 300 CD and is building two motorcycles.

He plans to set the 50cc and under world record for motorcycles. The other is a ridiculously crazy project involving a Jaguar V12 motor. To say JagGuy has issues would only scratch the surface.

So his latest foray into off-roading is this 6×6 monster he plans to modify into a 4×4 by dropping an axle. The result will I’m sure be fun for kids of all ages.

I drove M35s when I was serving in the United States Marines. We also drove the big brother to the M35, the M54 which was just a beefier version called “the 5 ton”. He has promised that I can take a metaphorical stroll (I will actually be driving) down memory lane and drive the M35, I fully intend to hold him to that.

The question is now does he plan to make it a “daily driver” as he is like to do with his new acquisitions? Or will this just be another toy in the ever in creasing toy box of excentricity? The jury is still out and with the number of projects he now has planned, I’m pretty sure I could petition him for a job being his “Edd China” for at least three years. Edd and JagGuy could quite possibly be brothers, more on that as I finish my interviews with JagGuy’s dad about his early exploits.

Go ahead tear it up (Post #127) 2/5/2009


I know you have felt like this at least once when you were driving. This last weekend I was once again reminded that kids and luxury automobiles do not mix. Sunday was the Alameda Bowl II at our church. It is a “friendly” game of flag football between the staff of the church and the youth group. Apparently it also is between the staff and ANYONE the youth group can find to play. This year the kids chose to invite several prominent members of the Norman North High School football team, several of which were Division I college recruits. It didn’t matter as the youth group lost once again.

Instead of playing football, my children chose to sit in RovErica’s Range Rover and “watch” the game. What they actually did was play with all the knobs and switches in the Range Rover and listen to the radio loudly. From this we had a dead battery, a broken seat adjustment switch and a broken air register. Was there any remorse? None that I could detect. I’m sure I can fix the seat switch and I’m pretty sure Drew said the air register was just “punched down into the vent”. I hope that really is the case.

what does a parent have to do to get it into our children’s heads to “take care of the things you are given”? The immediate answer is “Are you stupid, why did you give your kids have a Range Rover Classic in the first place?”
That’s a valid question. But it doesn’t address the original question. Everyone one of you have seen this phenomenon. Some rich kid gets the car of his/her dreams and proceeds to trash it or worse wrap it around a tree. I have been treated to the classic cliche’d story in every year my kids have attended high school. Rich kid gets a brand new Mercedes when they get their license. With in a month they have another new Mercedes because they “totalled” the other one. Why does this happen? What is the magic phrase or lesson that most parents fail to convey to their children that prevents them from destroying the things they have?

In my case, the problem may be that I let RovErica drive what would lovingly be called a restoration on wheels. Giving a “classic” car to a kid is an automatic recipe for disaster. Unless that kid was made to get their hands dirty they do not appreciate all the work it takes to keep a car that needs 2500$(US) a year of work done to keep it on the road.

When I was a kid, if I wanted to drive my car, (that I bought) I had to make sure it ran. If it was broken I had to fix it. If a part failed I had to buy the replacement. Or at a minimum ask for help if it was above my head. I did not do that with my kids. I don’t think very many fathers require their daughters to work on their own cars. I know there are exceptions, but as a general rule the gals go without basic automotive knowledge.

My girls can jump start their own cars. My girls can change their own flat tires. THEY DON’T change them, they call dad, but I know both of them can change their own tires if required. They both know that cars require oil changes. Erica waits for dad to do it for her, my oldest gets her oil changed every once in a while in her cars. Both of my girls know there are fluids that have to be checked and levels have to be maintained. My oldest just buys new cars when the old ones start to have troubles. My youngest doesn’t check her fluids, EVER.

I now have my son, Diet Mountain Drew, learning to drive. In six or seven more months my niece will be learning to drive. I have a third and fourth chance to change the culture and require them to maintain their own automobiles. But will I? I think I have to in both cases.

My son is well, a male, someday to be a man, and if the psychologist are right he will marry someone like his mom. My wife, their mother, knows absolutely NOTHING about cars. I say nothing, she knows they need gas and you use a key to “start” them. Beyond that, how the car gets her to work is purely magic. You see her daddy didn’t require her to know any of that.

So with Diet Mtn Drew and the Jazz it will be imperative that they know how the cars work. Drew for his “manhood factor” and because Jazz thrives on independence. She will someday be on her own and her special circumstance will require she be even more independent than my oldest turned out to be.

Which automobiles will the last two spawn drive? That is still to be determined. Diet Mtn Drew is contemplating the Disco for his car, but who knows.

So wish me luck, as I train the next two drivers to appreciate the automobiles.

Thanks for reading and Happy Rovering.